tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post3476627315166964168..comments2023-04-30T10:29:40.119-04:00Comments on DaddyBear's Den: News RoundupDaddyBearhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07508543148426098384noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-63279781558260751312012-01-24T19:59:56.804-05:002012-01-24T19:59:56.804-05:00Thank you sir!
I've been a reader here for qui...Thank you sir!<br />I've been a reader here for quite a while.<br /><br />America seems to be suffering the same problem we have seen here in the UK - various "agencies" being given quasi-police powers, and the ability to threaten, harass & intimidate the public. And all without the level of accountability that real police officers are subject to.<br />Please correct me if I am wrong!<br /><br />Re:<br />"IIRC, police tend to read them to a suspect as soon as they are arrested so that anything that the suspect says before being formally questioned is also admissible in court"<br />As a point of interest, UK police do have to caution (as in advise a suspect of their rights) when arresting and prior to formal questioning.<br />BUT! Any words spoken by a detained person PRIOR to caution may be noted, and presented as a "significant statement" in court with the officer acting as a witness as to the content of the statement.Bryn, Isle of Anglesey, UKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-52243664565657366662012-01-24T12:37:13.217-05:002012-01-24T12:37:13.217-05:00Welcome Bryn!
I'm not a policeman or a lawyer...Welcome Bryn!<br /><br />I'm not a policeman or a lawyer, so I'm not sure where detaining someone becomes an arrest. I probably need to fix that, now that you mention it.<br /><br />AFAIK, police read the Miranda rights to someone when they want to question them, but it's not a condition of detention or arrest. IIRC, police tend to read them to a suspect as soon as they are arrested so that anything that the suspect says before being formally questioned is also admissable in court. But someone in law or law enforcement could better answer that question.<br /><br />I don't believe that TSA reads anyone their rights, and they don't currently have arrest powers. If TSA wants you arrested, they have to get law enforcement involved. Anything you say to a TSA agent might as well be told to the ticket agent if I was to be on a jury.<br /><br />As to whether or not the actions of the TSA violated the Constitution by hindering Senator Paul from getting to Washington, I believe they did, and I hope that the Senator does everything in his power to take the TSA to the woodshed over it. But Senator Paul has made a point in saying that he's not affronted by this because he's a Senator. He maintains that he doesn't like it because it can happen to anyone, and that's not right.<br /><br />If he keeps this up, he might not have to ask me for his vote if he runs for re-election.DaddyBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07508543148426098384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-89077375761398905612012-01-24T10:22:08.988-05:002012-01-24T10:22:08.988-05:00Re. the detention of your Senator Rand Paul, this ...Re. the detention of your Senator Rand Paul, this should be ringing loud alarm bells for you all over there.<br />Taken from "Knuckledraggin my life away" blog.<br />*quote*<br />And shall we add this to the story just for grins?<br />The U.S. Constitution actually protects federal lawmakers from detention while they’re on the way to the Capital.<br />“The Senators and Representatives…shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same….” according to Article I, Section 6.<br />*/quote*<br /><br />I'll repeat here what I said there:<br />*quote*<br />Subtleties again....<br /><br />He's merely "detained", not arrested..... nothing to see, move along now....<br />To me, this is verbal weaseling on the same moral level as "I did not have sex with that woman....".<br /><br />Your U.S. readers will know the law better than I do; do TSA have to advise a "detainee" of their rights, as a police officer would have to?<br />*/quote*<br /><br />When does 'detention' become 'arrest', with the protections attached to that status....? (for now anyway; give The One some time...)Bryn, Isle of Anglesey, UKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-84105112332909767162012-01-23T18:34:31.207-05:002012-01-23T18:34:31.207-05:00I don't think we've heard the last of that...I don't think we've heard the last of that first one... They can just call Onstar and get the info that way, unless people disconnect their Onstar... And don't forget cell phone location data...Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.com