tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post2818275002506306466..comments2023-04-30T10:29:40.119-04:00Comments on DaddyBear's Den: Repeat after meDaddyBearhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07508543148426098384noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-20746341208200989632012-04-25T09:54:04.248-04:002012-04-25T09:54:04.248-04:00I contend it was a "Stupid" accident. St...I contend it was a "Stupid" accident. Stupidity played a major role in it. Hitting black ice is a "random" accidentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-3961766736420895152012-04-24T16:51:58.464-04:002012-04-24T16:51:58.464-04:00Thanks for the link!
I almost got into the live a...Thanks for the link!<br /><br />I almost got into the live ammo issue, but decided not to for a couple of reasons. One being that I suspect this was a class set up for people to use to get a CHP - VA doesn't <i>require</i> a CCW specific class, only a "safety" class - so the students are not necessarily new shooters. Second is that open carry is perfectly legal in VA, so one of the students may have been OC'ing for whatever reason.<br /><br />It makes me wonder if it happened something like: Dumbass asks OC'er "What's that you're carrying, can I see it?" OC'er, being a nice guy (tm) says "Sure," hands it over without clearing it (or drops the mag and doesn't think about the one in the chamber), and Dumbass proceeds to shoot his wife through his own hand.<br /><br />But, yeah, one of my first thoughts was also "Why was there a live-and-loaded firearm in that room at all?" (Of course, the <i>first</i> thought was "What is the media lying about in this story," but that's a whole other issue.)Jake (formerly Riposte3)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02976718318892210404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-23207323414691142502012-04-24T16:09:45.423-04:002012-04-24T16:09:45.423-04:00Oh, if they bring a firearm to class, I clear it a...Oh, if they bring a firearm to class, I clear it and inspect it, lock the slide to the rear, remove the magazine and lay it on the table in plain view. If a revolver, I open the cylinder. <br /><br />I also insure I have no ammo, and that is the one I always triple check!Keadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982258812373127063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-62307758063532572222012-04-24T15:49:11.770-04:002012-04-24T15:49:11.770-04:00I'm not really blaming the instructor here. Y...I'm not really blaming the instructor here. You're correct, a student in a firearms class is an adult, and should act like one. My one quibble would have been to make sure that all guns in the room were cleared, assuming that he or she couldn't force the students to remove all live ammunition from the environment.<br /><br />What I did when I was teaching rifle marksmanship in the Army was to have each student confirm that they had no ammunition in their pockets and to have them do a function check on their rifle, which cycles the action often enough to make sure there isn't a round in the chamber, before the start of every class.<br /><br />When I took my CCDW class, our instructor did something similar, and every time he picked up a gun to demonstrate something, he cleared and had at least one person verify that it was empty.<br /><br />The Four Rules allow for us to mess up (I've had an ND, and everyone who shoots guns either has had one or will have one), but you have to make a bunch of mistakes before you hurt someone with your gun.DaddyBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07508543148426098384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-40805644309399978542012-04-24T15:42:01.586-04:002012-04-24T15:42:01.586-04:00Stupid people. I agree with your negligence stack...Stupid people. I agree with your negligence stacking comment. There were multiple violations of the four rules and it bit them (the idiots AND the instructor) in the ass. Grrr...GunDivahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02965363044411500380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-80885209989961823252012-04-24T15:18:08.893-04:002012-04-24T15:18:08.893-04:00Some students are both fast and sneaky, especially...Some students are both fast and sneaky, especially in smaller classes such as a semi-private lesson with only two students who both know each other. I had a similar situation once (no shots fired, thankfully) when I absolutely <i>had to</i> step off the range for two minutes during a private lesson. I said, "Please do not handle any firearms while I am gone. I'll be right back!" When I returned less than two minutes later, the man's wife was yelling at him because he had swept her when he drew his firearm to "check" it.<br /><br />Firearms students are <i>adults,</i> not children, and they always expect to be treated as such. But how can a conscientious instructor do that when people are also so damnably stupid sometimes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-37458112511528517002012-04-24T14:08:14.769-04:002012-04-24T14:08:14.769-04:00DB, I bring the guns. If they have one I let them ...DB, I bring the guns. If they have one I let them bring it, but mostly in my Basic class they are slick.Keadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982258812373127063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-70413201586336715602012-04-24T13:22:14.491-04:002012-04-24T13:22:14.491-04:00Keads, question: When you're training a new s...Keads, question: When you're training a new shooter, do you provide the gun or do you ask the student to bring their own?DaddyBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07508543148426098384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1657394535887928020.post-60877583169155634552012-04-24T13:18:43.843-04:002012-04-24T13:18:43.843-04:00Here here! You are absolutely correct! I have a no...Here here! You are absolutely correct! I have a no live ammo policy in the classroom.Keadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982258812373127063noreply@blogger.com